tv The Dylan Ratigan Show MSNBC August 30, 2011 4:00pm-5:00pm EDT
the big story today -- ripple effect. the worst of the storm not over yet for millions still dealing with the aftermath of hurricane irene. good afternoon. i'm matt miller in for dylan ratigan. when you think of hurricane devastation, vermont's not the first state to come to mind. but showing how baldly that state got hit. national guard troops airlifting food and water to towns cut off by floodwaters. the state dealing with the worst flooding its seen in nearly a century. after the storm itself, new flood evacuations in jersey, where swollen river continue to rise. clearing basements and clearing downed trees an branches. 39 deaths in 12 states now blame and irene. 2.5 million remine without power and service along one of amtrak's busiest corridors is still out. all a reminder of the unpredictability of these storm
systems. as we look ahead, how can the science be improved? joining us now with answers a brian, chair of a plied marine physics at the school of atmospheric science at the university of miami, and jeff masters, co-founder of weather underground as well as a former hurricane hunter himself. here's jeff in action just a few years ago. take a look. >> right in the eyewall. >> looking awful high that far away. >> that's true. >> jeff, looking a little bit younger there. perhaps. let me start with you. given what we've seen with irene, if i understand it, we're good in terms of the weather science and being able to track the path of these storms, but we're really not very good at understanding how intense it's going to be. talk about that. explain that to us. >> yeah. our track forecasts cut in half in their errors but intensity
forecasts have none improved in the 20 years. the hurricane center, five days out they had it over new york city, remarkably good. but hitting at a category 3 and it hit at a 1. not so good there. >> brian, why is that? why is it easier to make progress in tracking the direction? i don't know what the jargon is exactly. and why is it so hard to actually predict with some measure of accuracy how intense it will be? obviously that affects how anxious people are, what preparations governments are making ed set ra? >> absolutely. intensity is a big part of the picture. fundamentally, the track field rely on the scale of processes. computer models get better resolving them, the larger scale atmospheric flows. whereas intensity depends on much smaller things that happen inside the core of the hurricane and may also be related to interactions at the ocean's surface and land surfaces and
eight of different processes that come into play that control intensity. but the models isn't there yet where you can get to the high resolution and really get a good intensity forecast. >> now, jeff, say a little more so folks can understand. when you're trying to even understand the intensity, if you're trying to get inside the core of the hurricane, what does that mean exactly? and what are meteorologists and those helping them, what do they actually do to try to figure this out? >> well, you have to put airplanes inside the hurricane. there are two noaa hurricane hunter aircraft that fly into the center of these storms, and they have doppler radar onboard as well as a number of other instruments, and they take very detailed high resolution measurements of the hurricane, and they send those measurements back in real time, and for the first time over the past two years, those measurements have been going into some of the more sophisticated models we have to try to predict hurricane
intensity. there's hope with this we can crack the nut of the hurricane intensity problem. >> now, jeff -- i'm sorry, brian what is the -- first of all, is this combat pay? actually manned planes that fly into the hurricanes or is noaa sending up unmanned vehicles? >> right now it's the hurricane hunter aircraft that have been flown for quite a while and those are manned aircraft. there is an attempt to take advantage of some of the improvements in technology in unmanned airborne vehicles to use those as well. but it still relies fundamentally on people flying planes into the storms. >> who -- jeff, who are these people? noaa has a squadron of pilots who sign up for the duty of flying planes into hurricanes? for the sake of our predictability? >> that's right. we have two airplanes that are crewed out of tampa in florida, and they fly more or less
continuously during a hurricane in the u.s. >> now, brian, back to you. the science of the modeling. you know, i think a lot of folks are suspicious these days of claims of sophistication in models. just had a financial meltdown to sort of tank the economy. based on a lot of folks who thought the financial models they were doing were minimizing risks, ed set ra, et cetera? how would you explain that the modeling done for this kind of weather science isn't as full of phony baloney as the financial shenanigans and rocket science found in their models? >> the issue of going to this kind of better intensity forecast is really about getting models that are first of all, that have higher resolutions so you can actually see the structures that are important, which are not able to be done in the global models. and there are fundamental science questions about some of the things that happened in these models that have to be
addressed as well. so it takes a lot of data to drive them, to initialize them from a particular storm and to test them and we go through rigorous processes of evaluating how well the different models are doing and run different types -- using different assumptions, different analysis of the errors. you can figure out how well it's working. that's part of the process we go through. the scientists. >> now, jeff, i understand there's a so-called ten-year project to try and take us to the next frontier in terms of the weather science on hurricanes and other natural events like this. what's the agenda on that and what can people expect will be different ten years from now when we have the next irene come down the pike? >> we're in year three of this ten-year project. it's called the hurricane forecast improvement project. or intensity project. and we haved ho the hope we cane
this by ten years from now. in year three we haven't seen any progress yet in that, but we're making a lot of very interesting discoveries, and learning a lot about how to make a better intensity forecast, and the models are starting to get to the won't where, yeah, maybe we can start saying that they're going to have some skill making intensity forecasts that we haven't seen before. >> same with you, jeff. so what are examples of one or two surprising things that you're finding as you hit year three and what you're expecting in the next few years that will sled more light on this intensity question? >> you know, one thing that was interesting, if we just make this better, the grid to a firn scale, automatically we get a better forecast. that hadn't turned out to be the case sprup to put thought into it and understand the physics of what's going on better. also we were thinking, when we get these realtime observations in the eyes of hurricanes from
these doppler radars, once we put that data in the radar models it will make them better. that didn't happen. we figured when you add new data makes the model a little unstable because all of a sudden it's forced to move into a new state it wasn't expecting. you have to do a little smoothing. a little bit of tweaking to get these new observations in. interesting problem and a tough problem, and we need to add a lot more people on to this project to get it to really come to fruition. >> now, brian, looking back. if you take stock of what you all in the profession learn in irene, what are the biggest lessons to inform your work going forward? >> well i think it was, for me personally, i was struck by the difference -- how much we've improved in the last ten years and our confidence in the forecast. i remember hurricane floyd for the entire east coast was evacuated from the keys all the way up and a similar track of the storm, but because there was that confidence in the track,
they were able to narrow the evacuation zones considerably. that was a huge success. for the -- as for this particular storm, as it came off the bahamas, there were indications -- everything seemed to be right for strengthening, and warm water. there wasn't much shear in the wind. everything looked to be good, and it just didn't happen the way that it could have. so there's a lot of questions here and it's going to be an interesting case to look at as to what actually happened between the time the storm left the bahamas and made landfall in north carolina. all right, brian, jeff, thank you for joining me today and shedding light on this arcane but crucial area of weather science. straight ahead, we'll go one-on-one with indiana governor mitch daniels talking the economy, jobs and 2012. there's still people hoping he'll reconsider his decision not to run. we'll give him a chance to make some news just ahead. also with us this year, l.a.
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politics dealing with real problems. >> a look at what many thought would be the 2012 presidential matchup, obama versus romney. that is until rick perry crashed the party. and now the fight is on. but it's proceeding without a man who ruled out a 2012 run. a lot of republican heavyweights who wish indiana governor mitch daniels would reconsider. i'll confess, i'm not a republican. in my view, the class of the gop field and wom have raised the he of the debate in ways good for the country. joining me now, the republican governor of indiana, mitch daniels. welcome, governor. >> matt, nice to see you, but i can't see you. >> i was hoping, governor, after that kind of groveling flattery from msnbc, you might be moved to rethink, and if want to make news here, any chance you're still going to jump in? >> i appreciate the invitation but i think i better stick to my assignment and answer your current affairs questions. >> so tell me what you think of the gop field so far? are you a romney man? a perry man?
are you involved at all yet? >> i'm not. i'm tending to the job i was hired to do by the people of indiana. i'm watching, of course, with great interest, and concern. because i do think we need a major, major change in direction in national policy. we have good people running, real good people, but i'm waiting to hear which of them really steps up candidly and specifically levels with americans about ed fix we're in and the things we can do to move out of it. >> well, let me ask you a question in that regard. we have a sound bite i want to play from the last gop debate where i think, as you know, there was a question about, would folks accept the candidate there on the diet, accept a budget deal that included $10 of spending cuts for a $1 tax increase. give a listen. >> ask a question to everyone here on the stage. say you had a deal. a real spending cuts deal. 10-1, as byron said.
spending cuts to tax increases. you're already shaking your head. who on this stage would walk away from that deal? will you raise your hand if you feel so strongly about not raising taxes you'd walk away on a 10-1 deal? >> now, governor, what kind of courage is that from the republican field? you know, ronald reagan, the president you worked for raise taxes as deals with democrats. the idea that the entire field would say a 10-1 deal was a non-starter seems preposterous. >> i don't know if it's a matter of courage. reasons to be skeptical. it's a highly hypothetical question, matt. you know, the history of most such things is the tax cuts -- sorry, the tax increases are certain and immediate, the spending cuts imaginary and distant and usually never happen. so you have to make a huge assumption such a deal would actually be on offer. but, no. i think accepting the
improbabiti improbabitity -- improbability, nothing should be ruled out that might change the arithmetic of a burden that will crush the american dream if we don't address t. a similar answer you gave when people would confront you of flirting with the idea of a run. the grover norquist pledge and i admired you, the only pledge you should take is the one the president takes on the steps of the capitol when they're being sworn in. why is it impossible for republican primary candidates to be honest about the math? you know we're going to double the number of seniors on social security and medicare. even if we do the stuff and beyond that paul ryan and others on the right are talking about on entitlements we have to see more revenue in an aging america, yet we've got a good field that's doomed by this kind of litmus test? >> yeah. i don't think it is impossible.
i think it is entirely practical to talk not just republicans but americans at large about the things we ought to do and i do hope at some stage people will be willing to be a little more frank. i can reverse the point and tell you the exact same reason that democrats who know better continue to insist the so-called entitlements programs go on as they are. those are the worst enemies, the social security and medicare. people who would leave them on autopilot until they implode, which is not far off. on the question of revenue, matt, we are going to need a lot more revenue and a lot less spending. some combination of those two to get out of this. the question, of course, is, how do you generate that revenue? and higher tax rates won't do it. they'll fall far short of generating what the static computer predicts they will. the way to get more revenue, a lot of us believe, a lot of people in your party believe, is
a restructured tax system that features far fewer loopholes and exemptions, lower rates on work and investment and so forth, and, you know, those people who understandably say everyone ought to contribute to the solution of the debt problem, including the well off are looking in the wrong place when they look at higher rates. they ought to look at closing many of the so-called tax expenditures. >> now, with all respect, governor, and you know i'm a democrat who's also supportive of entitlements reforms as well as tax increases to do the fiscal mix we need. both sides are locked in to their ideology and litmus tests on either side. a lot of people think we need a third political force to shake things up. about 20 seconds left. do you think there's actually going to be an independent candidate that emerges to try and fill what at least the polls say is a real void in the kind of extreme center frustrated
with what's offered on both sides when people feel they're getting a lot of flimflam? >> i'd be very, very surprised and i think it best chance frankly for our republic, is for the republican party to adopt a position that is full floated for growth. it's the only place the revenue can come from and also very candid about what needs to be done to trim down current spending, our future promises, and propose ways to generate revenue with that that aren't counterproductive, like choking off the economy in the process. >> governor mitch daniels, we have to leave it there. thanks for joining me, even if you didn't jump in. >> glad to be with you. time for our mega panel. msnbc's political analyst karen finney, msnbc contributor susan del percio and our d.c. insider jimmy williams. susan, start with you. what did you make of mitch daniels remarks? anything intrigue you about the fact they was still trying to
pretty much, i thought, cue the gop line, obviously. still a gop governor, not aligned with any other candidate. >> the most important thing that he did is recognize that we have to close some of these loopholes and the only way we're going to get out of our problems is through growth. so those are the things that really the republicans, whether on the national stage or even at the state levels need to look at as far as a message going forward. and not get you caught up in buzz words of, loopholes, if you close a loophole that means you're raising taxes and all that nonsense. we need 20 to cut through it. >> jimmy, it strikes me as -- even mitch daniels, who i respect, is talking if we cut taxes, that's what we need to do, to raise the revenues we need over time. no one will talk honestly we may need higher energy taxes or con simpgs taxes and low are taxes elsewhere, but if we can't get more candor from him --
>> right. it's bigger than the theory of raises gas taxes to change con smpgss. we freed to simplify the tax code. i don't know of a single business own i'm one, a single american that pays taxes not to bash accountants, you need to figure out a way to broaden the base, bring more people into the system. lower their rates. close loopholes. why do i get a tax break for putting windows in my home. i like it and i'm doing it. why? no. i shouldn't get a tax credit in my house because they're energy efficient. i should want to do that because they're made in america and they're the right ones to put in my house. >> because they're energy efficient. >> you get the point. what is it with all the loopholes? i have clients that want 25% and they'd get rid of loopholes. sounds like a good thing to me. >> i'm not sure what loopholes you're trying to cling to.
karen, no loophole ngs the new polling showing rick perry is validated, he's jumped out, double digits, against romney. latest figures showing rick perry 32%. rodney 18%, bachmann at 12% then the rest what do you make where the gop field stands? does anything interest from governor daniels? >> a couple things. governor daniels have the luxury of speaking more truth. i agree on the tax cutting -- on wake what we just went through this past weekend. we know it's going to cost a lot to do the kind of things we're going to need to do in the aftermath of irene, but it does basically, the republican field is fluid, and that governor perry is the shiny new object. right? he has shot to the top. the question will be and we'll see this next week, i think, in the debate is, does he have the real staying power? i think he does, but he's going to undergo kind of a level of scrutiny he hasn't had to deal with before in the
gubernatorialial candidatesies he's run. still unknown. >> susan i hope we see in the debate when perry's there finally. john harris from politico and brian williams from nbc. someone should ask not the 10-1 question, is it still a priority to keep taxing low on wealthy people at a time of war? who's going to raise their hand and say that's the right policy. would you? >> they actually should ask, what specifically do you want to do to tacking these problems instead of putting these questions, rather loaded questions like that -- >> but it's true. it's loaded, but we're at war. >> you need to know where the candidates stand. supposedly mitt romney will come out with his plan in the next few days. the president's going to come t with his jobs program. people need to come out with specifics, and that's what they should be challenged on is, oh, do you really think can you do this and still keep services at a certain level? >> i think that we'll get the
most think of the internet as a boom to our lives because the world's information at our fingertips. black berry, texting while drives but on balance, the internet is a huge, huge plus. my next guest says there's a dark side none of us are talking about. that the way the internet is evolving threatens to undermine our humanity and maybe even kill the middle class. this critique isn't coming from a crank. he's actually one of the inve inventors of virtual reality back in the 1980s. joining me fresh off his profile
is the author of "you are not a gadget manifesto." welcome. >> hey, how's it going? >> so it's going well. so -- in a nutshell, what's your critique of where the internet is headed? >> hey, it's really simple. it's that we in silicon valley, the rest of the nation having a tough economic time, but we're doing great. part of the reason we're doing great is we talk to all the rest of you into the idea that you do stuff for free online. write reviews for free, post videos for free. so far, i guess, it's fine. no problem. but projected ahead ten year, pretty soon we're going to have cars driving themselves. all of those people behind the wheel, all those truckers and cab drives, their jobs are going away. not tomorrow, but some years ahead, and what i've been saying is, let's start to rethink this. maybe we should try to reorganize the internet so people don't just get free expression but money out of it. they get a way to pay their
rent. pay for their medicine. in other words, we should be monetizing more and more instead of less and less so we can keep on, you know, spreading the wealth, that's a horrible, dirty word. >> no. that's all right. >> i'm a total capitalist. a total capitalist, a libertarian and think this is the way to do it. the way to have a libertarian future and have a middle class, what makes democracy strong is instead of concentrating all the information and therefore all the money around the big servers, whether running financial schemes or social networking, whatever, we should have people-to-people trading money so that the internet is making them money. we don't have to do it this year or next year, in the next ten years steer towards the future or i'm afraid we'll end up with a society where the big computer, the richer you are and everybody else is out of luck and i don't want that future. simple. >> karen finney a question.
i've got to say, you had the most provocative hand gestures of any guest we've had on "the dylan ratigan show." >> it's from all that work at virtual reality working on finance and that sort of stuff. you -- you start, you know -- exercise your hands a lot. >> this is you. not a hologram of jared lanier? right? >> i'm not telling. >> karen, a question. >> sounds like what you're saying, you think people should be able -- if i write something online or present content online i should be able to be paid for that? i guess -- i'm a capitalist. i am all for new ways to make money, at the same time, you know, there is, there was, at least, at the beginning, this idea, you know, when al gore inventsed the internet, that we would -- it meant. >> hey, wait, wait, wait. al gore kind of did invent it. i was there. you know, like, we had all of these different networks and al gore went before congress and the gore bill united them, and it's dhlly fair.
once in a while there's a smart politician. whatever elsy think of it, it's kind of fair. >> i think very highly of our former vice president. anyway, isn't part of the idea of the internet that there's all of this content out there that if you have access to it and obviously having access is one of our biggest problems, you have access to so much more information than you ever would have, and it should be free, and that the ability to, whether it's look up a diagnosis or learn about something that you're interested in finding out more information about, or e-mailing your friends or whatever it is, that there should be that provided to people without a cost? >> well, look, first of all, the real information is not the information you can get. it's not the information wikileaks can leak. it's the information hidden inside facebook and google and bing computers, and that's the information that corollates you and analyzes you so they can make money from selling you to advertisers. selling access to you. so there's sort of an illusion
we're getting all the information, but the best information of the is the stuff we don't get. aside from that, make the argument anything should be free. i'm in berkeley. i mean, half the people in berkeley think everything should be free, and the reason -- >> i will point out i grew up there, so -- >> it's beautiful here, but the reason not to make everything free is that when you monetize things even though at first it seems like a drag that you paid for them, it just means you get paid for more stuff. when there's money you get liberty. i mean, the more stuff you make free the more you have to deal with politics instead of commerce 20 organize your life and then you end up having to ark argue with people. go to one berkeley city council hearing and you'll going to give up the free thing. believe me. it's the world of everything being free means an eternal argument to people about what should happen. it's miserable. you want to monetize. it's scary but ultimately better. >> jimmy, a question? >> dave matthews, weren't of his songs, takes for what it took to
find, progress. this is all progress. right? this is progress. here's my question. >> yes. >> is the internet -- not taxing internet is that a loophole? tax every single thing? it's a commodity. right? should we tax the internet? yes or no? >> oh, taxing. oh, my god. >> yes or no? either it's a loophole or not? >> you know what i'm going to telly, honestly, i think that that's not a very good question compared to what we're talking about. i don't really care. i know amazon cares a lot whether we'll tax -- >> but, listen, if you can monetize something on the internet. why do i get it, this mug right here for free on the internet when i were caulk into targcan and -- >> the thing about taxing. you've got to tax something. you could tax wealth, consumption, sales, salaries. you've got to do something. it all starts, nobody wants any
of it. settle on taxing somewhere in the loop. anyway, that's not my problem. the people in d.c. can tear their hair over where exactly -- >> i'm bald. i'm not worrying about tearing my hair out. >> you're talking about -- >> i want to cut the $14 trillion deficit. >> monetize more of what we're doing with information. it's like -- >> you monetize and i'll tax it. >> people make money -- >> the question, jared -- >> a little news for you, here in new york there are actually people who get $5 to write reviews for restaurants on the internet. they're starting to bring it to fruition what you're talking about. >> probably a middle class living. $5 a review. in new york, that kovg covers it. >> go ahead. >> the question is, what else do you think besides whether it's the restaurants reviews, what else can people actually do to
benefit and make money from the -- >> well, look, you guys -- msnbc makes their money putting out this stuff that people watch, and this stuff, i mean this. >> middle class people, how do people -- >> exactly. youtube is putting out things people watch and the massive youtube, people uploading things. they, for the most part, xaept few tiny exceptions, little tokens, almost nobody gets money for putting something up that other people watch, and a world in which people got paid for that would be a world in which people would be doing commerce with each other more. create an expanding economy, what we need. that's what capitalism needs. >> we're going have to leave it there are for today. we'll find way to come back to this. i urge you to read your book. "you are not a gadget" provokes great conversation with your teenage kids, in you've got one. jared, thanks for taking the time, thanks, as always, to the mega panel, susan, karen and
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antonio vill antonio. >> you can playing the song "taking care of business" that's what america's mayors are asking the congress to do. it's crazy that we're even here, even talking about extending the current gas tax that democratic mayors supported every time since the 1950s, spending half what we used to on infrastructure. about 2% of our gdp, there was a time we were doing about 4%. it's crazy that we have an opportunity to create 1.8 million jobs, and we're doing nothing. they're dithering, debating, they're pointing fingers, and particularly in the house where the leadership there seems to,
frankly, not be listening to the american people. >> what is it specifically, mayor, that the house is objecting to? balking at extending the payroll tax? not just a congressional obstacle? a republican obstacle? >> they're talking about holding the gas tax and it wouldn't be increased just extended. holding it hostage. they're talking about a very, very small transportation reauthorization bill that will ultimately lose almost a million jobs as result. we've got to be focused on job creation. there's a plan currently in the senate to create about 1.8 million jobs. it doesn't increase the gas tax.
it only extends it. it's very, very important to put people back to work. we've got to get out of this finger-point tlag ing that we s. this calling all spending, you know, the same as if making investments in infrastructure and bridge repair, in transportation and job creation is the same as some other program, and that's really what's going on there. they're not listening to the american people. people are hurting right now. it's difficult to make ends meet. they want the congress to focus on job creation and infrastructure investment. >> is there any merit -- i'm with you totally on the idea we should be doing this, especially with the job impact and infrastructure, every expert group that looked at this, your, others, bipartisan groups for years said we're lagging, our industrial competitors rising powers like china. what's the skepticism? is it all politics or is it
concern that the jobs aren't shovel ready and some folks who are critics of the stimulus thought a lot of money went out of the door that ended up not creating -- kind of a bang for the buck as people had expected? >> it's all politics. it's all politic. as i said, every republican and democratic president since the 1950s has supported the gas tax. has made the investments that we need to make. this is clearly an effort on the part of a small group of people in the house primarily who are driving their leadership right off the cliff. who are making claims that somehow repairing our bridges, improving and repairing our roads, our freeways, increasing and supporting our public transportation system is not good for business. you know, you mentioned china. china is spending 4.5 times what
the united states spends on infrastructure, and they're funding much of what, or a good portion, of what europe is spending. virtually every developed nation in the world is outpacing the united states of america when it comes to investments in improving our roads and our highways and our airports, our bridges, our ports. we've got to invest in that inf infrastructure so we can grow our economy, move goods and move people. that's why they've cut out mour than 100 mayors in support bipartisan both democrat and republican in support of a reauthorization bill that really puts people back to work and builds our infrastructure. >> don't we need as a practical matt matter, a minute left, to get republican mayors and republican ceos who can go into these tea party folks and the house republicans trying to make political hay with this and say you've got to get real. score your political points somewhere else, but we need to do this kind of infrastructure and extending a long bipartisan
supported payroll tax is part of the way to go? don't you think it's going to take that kind of stuff from the gop side to actually move this across, into the end zone? >> you hit it right on the head. u.s. chamber of commerce tom donohue supports the extension of the gas tax, supports a robust reauthorization bill. so do the mayors of america, both democrat and republican. we will be there knocking on their doors and reminding them that it was the people in our cities that elected them to the u.s. congress, and that they've got to engage in vigorous efforts to put people back to work, get off of this dithering that we saw around the deficit and, really, do something to put people back to work. we as an example, a plan put forward to create more than a million jobs where cities and counties put up their own money.
they would just loan against what the federal government could provide. we'd pay them back. it's a great way to provide more than 1 million jobs over the next six years. doesn't cost a lot of money to it federal government. there are things they could do to put people back to work, and, yes, we're going to have to get business, labor, a broad coalition of people in the state, do your job, u.s. congress. and work to put people back to work. >> mayormayor, good luck as you continue this crusade in the weeks ahead. thanks very much for joining us. coming up on "hardball." go big or go home. michael smerconish in the chair tonight with what the president should propose on jobs and the likelihood he will. first, jonathan capehart is here with a little journalistic intervention for politic whose keep citing divine intervention for the world's problems. [ male announcer ] this is lara.
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here now with his "daily rant" or michele bachmann and her messages from god, our own jonathan capehart. take it away. >> matt, you know what? i've had it up to here with politician whose claim to speak on behalf of, know the thinking of or believe they can explain that actions on earth are divine interventions. we all know michele bachmann is a total pro at this. she has said god told her to run for congress. she said last year that she'd jump into the presidential race if god calls on her to do it and then she said this over the weekend in florida. >> i don't know how much god has to do to get the attention of
the politicians, we've had an earthquake. we've had a hurricane. he said, are you going to start listening to me here? listen to the american people, because the american people are roaring right now, because they know what needs to be done. they know that the government is on a morbid obesity diet, it's got to rein in the spending. >> we're used to pat robson claiming that a international disaster is the rule of god, but he's not running to be president of the united states. to blend an yun a candidate who sounded like the almighty and policy implication of having god almighty as your senior adviser, obviously saying it in jest. oh. now she's joking an the fear induced by the earthquake and the destruction wrought by hurricane irene? i'm sure the flooded out folks in new jersey and vermont found bachmann's remarks a real knee
slapper. according to my trusty bible, exodus chapter 7 versus 20 says, "thou shalt not take the name of the lord thy god in vain for the lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain." bachmann is so busted on that. using the lord's name in vain, stop using the lord's name in vain. wool i can't and won't speak for him or her, i'm sure he or she would appreciate it. so would the american people. my college classmate kathy brings me to another bible verse relevant here. jeremiah chapter 23 verse 16. "this is what the lord almighty says -- do not listen to what the prophets are prophesying to you. they fill you with false hopes. they speak visions from their own minds. not from the moth of the lord." unless and until god comes forward about what he thinks
what the mess we're making on earth, bachmann needs to stick to policy announcement. so far they're as unbelievable as her conversations with god. $2 a gallon in gasoline? lord have mercy. matt? >> i tell, jonathan, i think the 11th commandment for me is, thou shalt listen to my "washington post" colleague jonathan capehart. what is it, only 20 seconds, but. >> yeah. >> why -- why do people, candidates, do this? because it works with a certain s segment of their constituency? >> yes, a certain segment, but i believe the american electorate has time and time again made it clear that a leader of faith a present of faith, is someone they are comfortable with. reagan isn't someone who went to church all the time but i do think that, you know, the american people like a president -- >> jonathan. >> who has a spiritual life. >> we'll get back with more spirituality. great job as always. that does it for us today. i'm matt miller in for